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Hey, Middle Class: You Really ARE Welcome at Disney World



By Dave Shute

“So, 30 years ago, Frank Wells asked me…when we were thinking of going from $16.50 to $18.50 [for park tickets]. He said, Jay, is this the ceiling on pricing?”

–Jay Rasulo, Chief Financial Officer, The Walt Disney Company, at the MoffettNathanson Media & Communications Summit, May 13, 2015

DESPITE INCREASING PRICES, DISNEY WORLD IS STILL AFFORDABLE

Disney World and the Middle Class  from yourfirstvisit.netEvery now and then Disney World gets caught up in a cultural moment of silly arguments.

The most recent flowering has been claims that the middle class can’t afford Disney World at all. These include assertions that

  • Disney World has “priced middle class families out”
  • Disney World has “left the middle class behind”
  • Disney World is “abandoning [the] middle class”
  • Disney World has “set their prices at the top ten percent of family incomes”
  • Disney World’s “outrageous prices” aimed at “the upper class” … “leave for everyone else … cheap-but-complex ticket deals for certain days, off-site lodging, or … just attending … Six Flags.”

OK, sorry Six Flags, but here’s the reality:

  • A Disney World vacation is indeed eye-wateringly expensive (Wanna know how to blanch an almond? Show it Disney World ticket prices…)
  • Disney World ticket, hotel and food prices have indeed been going up faster than median household incomes and the CPI for years now. Each time they do so, more middle class families are left out, and other middle class families have to save for longer to be able to afford a visit.
  • Even so, a family of four can have a great vacation at Walt Disney World (and stay in a Disney World hotel while doing so) for $2,600 to $3,100, plus travel costs. Plenty of middle class families can’t afford that, but plenty of middle class families can.

The figure of $2,600 to $3,100, plus travel costs is based on

  • Five days of park tickets—the minimum for a great visit, with two days at the Magic Kingdom and one day each at Disney World’s other three parks, at $1,350 total for four people. (The way Disney prices tickets, a 6th day in the parks—which I’d recommend—adds a total of $43 to this amount. You pay a shocking amount for the first few days at Disney World—after that, a day in a park is about the cost of a movie.)
  • Four or five nights in a standard room at one of Disney’s All-Star Resorts, which during two thirds of arrival dates in 2016 average $100 to $150 a night. Figure this as $500 to $750.
  • Five days of food—your mileage will vary, but there are plenty of solid $15 dinners at every hotel and every park at Disney World. A range of $35-50 per person per day sums to another $700 to $1,000.
The Middle Class at Disney World

Many of These People Trying to Avoid Me Are Middle Class

Since there’s no actual definition of the middle class, there’s no actual definition of its income range, either.

Reasonable people might use definitions that include household money income ranges of $20,000 to $105,000, $20,000 to $190,000, or $40,000 to $125,000–this last is the one that resonates with me. (All from this, although I had to interpolate one of the numbers.)

Whatever you define as the range of middle class incomes,

  • Most households earning at the bottom of the middle class income distribution are clearly priced out of a Disney World vacation, and have been for decades. As the poet and philosopher George Clinton once sadly reflected, “Broke don’t travel.”
  • Just as clearly, many families higher in the middle class income distribution can afford $2,600 to $3,100, plus travel costs.
  • Other families in the middle of the middle class income distribution have to scrimp and save to make a Disney World vacation work, and when prices go up even a little bit, their visits get tenuous. Danielle said this on my Facebook page: “So sad to me because [I] haven’t been in 25 years and finally saved enough to go for a family of 5. And now prices are still going up [so] it may not be possible for a lot of families to afford. 🙁 Everyone should be able to get to Disney at some point in their life.”

But I don’t think a vacation that can cost as little as $2,600 to $3,100, plus travel costs, can reasonably be argued as “pricing middle class families out” or “outrageously priced.”

Now if you read the largely ridiculous articles circulating around, you might be surprised by this. Aren’t the rooms at Disney World $2,000 a night? Isn’t dinner $115 a night just for a steak (and don’t forget taxes and the tip)?

Well, by my count Disney World does indeed own around 150 or so spaces that go for on the order of $2,000 a night or more—around 110 “Grand Villas,” 20 newly-opened “Bungalows” at the Polynesian, and the rest fancy multi-bay suites. (I have argued elsewhere, perhaps tongue-in-cheek, that the new Bungalows are aimed at the important President for Life/ dictator/ oligarch/ drug cartel jefe market segment…)

But it also offers around 9,000 rooms that are typically well under $200 a night, of which about 5,000 rooms are typically $150 or less.

The steak price was a comic error on the part of the writer, who perhaps was more concerned to be tendentious than accurate. But it has been true for years that you can pay an arm and two legs for dinner at Disney World…or you can pay about $15. And there’s a lot more places that serve dinner for $15 than cost an arm and a leg.

That you could spend tens of thousands of dollars on a Disney vacation does not mean that you must. When I shopped for a car last fall, the fact that cars existed that were 15 times as much as I could afford was irrelevant (except insofar as it gave me an excuse to read Dan Neil’s great reviews of them, with lines such as “Like very tight pants, these cars don’t always tell the story owners think they tell“). The cars I could not afford did not matter, and I am happy with the Hyundai that I could afford.

Can you put together a vacation budget of $3,000 over a year, or over several years? Then Disney World welcomes you.

The rest of this post is, I suppose, an analytic appendix to this key point—that many in the middle class can indeed afford Disney World.

TICKET PRICES

Many of the articles have focused on ticket price increases since Disney World opened in 1971. There are two problems with most of the presented analyses—although their overall conclusion that prices are rising faster than inflation or median household money income is dead-on.

One is that they focus on one day tickets, but no one who knows Disney World would recommend just a day there, there’s too much to see. Focusing on one day tickets understates the cost of a Disney World vacation. Five day (or longer) tickets are the appropriate unit of analysis. Five day tickets yield two days in the Magic Kingdom and one day at each of Disney’s three other theme parks, Epcot, the Animal Kingdom, and Disney’s Hollywood Studios–this is the minimum for a great trip.

Second is that they compare apples and oranges. What a ticket covered profoundly changed in the early 1980s, when the parks shifted from two sets of prices—one to get in, and a second to actually get on a ride–to an inclusive admission price that also included access to the rides.

The current ticket format—“Magic Your Way” tickets—emerged in 2005. Below is the trend since 2005 in prices for 5 day Magic Your Way tickets, CPI, and, just because I could find it for a comparison, movie ticket prices.

Disney World Historical Ticket Prices from yourfirstvisit.net

You can see the major increases in ticket prices over inflation since 2008.

Inflating past ticket prices by the relevant CPI figures yields this inflation-adjusted chart of 5 day ticket prices:

CPI Adjusted Historical 5 Day Ticket Prices from yourfirstvisit.net

You can see some “restraint” during the recession (there was even more than appears from this list-price chart, as there were some pretty wild discounts early in that period, such as seven hotel nights and seven tickets days for the price of four), and accelerating increases coming out of the recession.

In real terms, ticket prices for a five day trip have increased by about $80 per person since 2005 ($8/year, or $16 a park day)—or about $320 for a trip with a four person family.

This is not a trivial increase, and will require a longer savings period for some families, and indeed will shut out a slice of other families entirely.

But $300 more since 2005 is not enough to make Disney World “unaffordable to the middle class.”

One of the more comic claims made in the recent spate of articles is that Disney has “set their prices at the top ten percent of family incomes” The top ten percent of household incomes begins at about $150,000 a year. If you think a family below the top 10%–e.g. one that makes “just” $145,000 a year–can’t afford another $300 on ticket prices compared to 2005—well, then, to the barricades!

Although it may not seem that way on wildly crowded days like New Year’s Eve and the 4th of July, the parks at Disney World have limited capacity and excess demand.

It rations that demand through price increases, and even so has been seeing record attendance for a while now. This partly because, as Disney CFO Jay Rasulo noted at the May MoffettNathanson Media & Communications Summit, “we price on a value basis and we keep a very, very close check on what the value proposition is for our guests and the feedback they give us about the value of a day in one of our parks.”

ROOMS

Disney World rarely discounts ticket prices, but its hotel room prices both drop and increase multiple times over the year, and see in addition deal after deal over the course of the year (fewer, and with lower effective discounts, since the recession ended).

The best way to see trends in rooms is thus not to focus on list prices but rather on prices real people actually paid for Disney World’s 27,000-plus actual rooms.

With a little math, you can construct this from data in Disney’s SEC filings. This math is the source of the following chart–with past prices inflated to CPI, and four quarter trailing moving averages used to smooth out seasonal prices and thus reveal pure trend:

Per Room CPI Adjusted Guest Spend from yourfirstvisit.net

What you see is realized prices dropping during the recession, and not hitting their pre-recessionary peak until late 2012. Since then they’ve gone up about $25/night in real terms compared to their pre-recessionary peak—or up $100 to $125 for a four or five night stay. (For the curious, un-adjusted charts are here.)

But doesn’t a price of almost $300 a night shut out the middle class? Well it might were that the only price, but it’s in fact the average price of a wide range of options among Disney’s 27,000 rooms.

Disney World has 9,000 rooms in its value resorts where standard room prices are much cheaper than $300 a night—and its last major hotel add, in 2012, was an expansion of these lower-priced rooms.

At the lowest-priced among these, the three All-Star Resorts, you can pay less than $125 a night many nights of the year for a standard room, and less than $150 most nights:

All-Star Sports Cost Per Night from yourfirstvisit.net

Because Disney manages hotel demand through pricing, the most highly-demanded nights of the year will see higher prices than $150. But if you rank order the average nightly cost of a four night stay in a standard room at, for example, All-Star Sports, you’ll see that a third of 2016 arrival dates are available for $125/night or less, and two thirds at $150 or less:

All-Star Sports Distribution of Cost Per Night from yourfirstvisit.net

As I noted last week, many Disney hotel rooms saw major—sometimes astonishing–price increases for 2016.

But the All-Stars showed no increases most seasons—that’s a price cut in real terms. Moderate resort Caribbean Beach saw increases at just CPI—that’s a “no increase” after inflation—and standard rooms at the deluxe resort Wilderness Lodge also saw no price increase most seasons in 2016—again, a price cut in real terms.

Other Disney World hotels saw much higher price increases. But your family doesn’t have to choose them. The middle class can still afford the All-Star Resorts, many easily so, and in fact most times of the year will pay less in 2016, after inflation, than in 2015.

THE VARIABLE PRICING SURVEY

One of the odder things about the recent spate of silly articles was that they came out not based on any particular relevant recent pricing event. Ticket prices had gone up in February, and 2016 room rate increases had not yet been announced.

My guess is that all this was inspired by facts that were true but irrelevant (20 new rooms that go for $2,000 a night among Disney World’s 27,000 other rooms that go for less—usually MUCH less), facts that were untrue and irrelevant—the putative $115 steak—and a survey.

Yes, a survey. Disney recently released multiple surveys to test reaction to variable pricing of its park tickets—charging more for more popular dates and less than that for less popular dates. (The line at the beginning of this post that the middle class has been relegated to “cheap-but-complex ticket deals for certain days” likely came from a confusion between these survey questions and reality.)

All these surveys showed current ticket prices for less popular dates, and higher prices for more popular ones—that is, on average a price increase. Some of these surveys also showed additional new ways to price multi-day tickets, and in the case of one of these, you could infer the doubling of the price of some multi-day tickets.

Well, folks, you heard it here first: Disney isn’t suddenly doubling ticket prices this year, or anytime soon.

Moreover, if the surveys didn’t all show either current or higher prices, then the Disney fan community—sometimes characterized more by volubility than good judgment—would have been agog with the claim “Disney is cutting some ticket prices!” That’s not gonna happen, either.

Third, Disney World does all kinds of surveys, all the time. Most turn into nothing. From my co-author Josh:

Josh on The Survey

Fourth, as I’ve noted before, it would actually be a great thing—even for the middle class—if Disney reduced attendance the most crowded days of the year by shifting to variable prices, and then using increased prices to better fit capacity to demand those dates.

On New Year’s Eve at Epcot last year some people waited five hours for some rides. Five hours.

Those five hour waits fell on the just and unjust alike, so peasants, the proletariat, the petite bourgeoisie, and the nobility can all agree with fervor that spending five hours waiting for one ride is simply not to be borne. Viva la revolucion!

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15 comments

1 Kellie { 06.30.15 at 8:17 am }

Great article. Magical family time is a worthy expenditure in my book, and yes, I’d love if it cost less, but the market allows it. We always go off-peak (fall or Jan/Feb) and I certainly don’t look around and wonder where the people are!
We went to the Georgia Aquarium last weekend, and a one night stay in the nearest hotel and aquarium admission for one child and two adults was over $300. Add to that travel and dining expenses, and I found myself thinking we could have squeezed in another day at WDW on our next trip for what we spent. And while the Aquarium is astoundingly amazing and spurs our child’s curiosity, the level of service there and even more so at the hotel fell FAR short of Disney levels. Doesn’t everything?! I think it’s a comparable leisure expenditure, particularly when you factor in the time, customer service, and variety of experiences your WDW ticket affords.

2 Marleen { 07.02.15 at 8:25 pm }

I agree. We just went to the GA aquarium last week as a stop on our drive to TN, although we used reward points for the hotel we paid full price for the aquarium and food for 4 cost me $75 for cold burgers because the temp in there is crazy cold. I always save and splurge on the Disney food. If you can afford it the nicer restaurants have amazing food.

3 Sarah { 06.30.15 at 9:30 am }

Fantastic article! We have gone to WDW annually for the last 8 years (this year will be #9), and we have been able to do so by making it a priority when it comes to how we spend our money. Anything can be achieved with a solid plan in place. Set goals and reach them by staying focused and working hard. Might it take a little longer to save with each increase? Absolutely! The key is to not get sidetracked from the goal. It can be done!

4 Kuleen @ The Disney Kids { 06.30.15 at 11:24 am }

Dave you did a great job researching this article.

I have a problem with the attitude that “everyone should be able to go to Disney in their lifetime.”

People are no more entitled to a Disney vacation than they are to one in Hawaii, Europe, or any vacation at all.

5 Steve { 06.30.15 at 11:27 am }

Dave,

Great post as usual, backed by lots of research.

The flip side of the issue, which could be misconstrued as top 10% snobbery is that prices control attendance levels.

You touched on this in a couple spots, “…Disney manages hotel demand through pricing,…” and re tickets “It rations that demand through price increases,…”

But ticket prices have a direct effect on attendance volume.

Can you imagine the volume of people who would flood the parks if one-day tickets (with multi-day priced accordingly) were reduced to $75, $50, or $25?

I won’t delve into the varying demographics of these different price levels here…

6 Jane { 06.30.15 at 11:33 am }

Hi Dave, very interesting article. I wanted to add that when I first started looking into Disney I was very surprised at how affordable the All Star resorts are. I have often paid so much more for a basic hotel in a much less exciting place.

7 Renee { 06.30.15 at 12:34 pm }

Great article and I agree with your comments. You are more aware of the costs of a Disney trip if you do a package. We did a Yellowstone trip the summer after our first Disney trip in 2010 and we were not extravagant and I was frugal where I could be and yet the total expense was pretty close to Disney but unlike a package from Disney the costs were more spread out and not as visible. Supply and demand – we all love Disney so much and it’s only so big and they can raise it and the people will come. We went to Disney again last year and on both our trips I felt like I would but a value of double on the experience and the service and the quality. They made us feel special and if they continue to deliver that quality, we’ll scratch and save for another trip in the future.

8 Daphne { 06.30.15 at 1:04 pm }

Interesting article! By your or your research standards, I am the lower end of the last income bracket for middle class but I have taken my family to Disney 4 times since my youngest was born in 2007. I love Disney! So I make going there something I am going do and save for. I don’t stay in the value resorts either. Disney is just as affordable as any other vacation, people just see the lump sum of a package and think it is a lot but if you add up the costs of another vacation for a week, the prices will be very similar.

9 KE { 06.30.15 at 1:39 pm }

Dave, I love this!

The silly articles you referenced always make me giggle and shake my head. I have so many colleagues and friends who tell me the same nonsense. Many of my friends and colleagues have even been so rude as to imply that my family must be in major debt in order to go to Disney every year (our 3rd trip in as many years will be this fall). We are not at all in debt for Disney and my core financial beliefs wouldn’t even allow it.

Truth is, we live frugal and we splurge on a Disney trip because we value the time and experience with our children more than we value other things. I do not have a Smartphone, a Starbucks addiction, or cable. We do not eat out much and I shop yard sales, consignment sales, and have a love for hand me downs. Brand names are not important to me when shopping for food, clothing, or other items. We also don’t have the best gizmos and gadgets that are out there.

What we do have are priceless memories that we made with our family of four and our extended family because we frugally planned Disney trips that fit our lifestyle, needs, and desires. I have NEVER spent over $2600 to visit Disney with a family of 4. We always stay on-site, spend at least 4 days in the parks, and get the dining plan.

It comes down to planning and understanding that a vacation, to anywhere, will cost you time, money, and effort to make happen. My happy place is Disney and, right now, I have not been priced out of enjoying it. For those who feel that they have, I suggest you do a bit of research, reassess some of your budget, start saving, and make it happen.

10 Kristi { 07.01.15 at 10:26 pm }

Wonderful insight and analysis, Dave… at just the right time! I absolutely hate hearing that Disney is “overpriced” or “not for the middle class” because my family’s experience completely proves otherwise… I am a single mom and was able to take my 3 kids to WDW for $3,900.00 INCLUDING Airfare for 6 days *with* the Disney Dining plan, too! Friends and family can’t believe it when I share that we did a Disney vacation for under $4,000! Yes, it took some work and info gathering – for which your website was truly invaluable! Yes, we chose to fly out on a Tuesday ( lower prices) went at a lower price time, and stayed at a value hotel… but the value hotel had such great hospitality and service and kid appeal I know my kids would choose to go back there even if I won the lotto tomorrow. 🙂 Yes, we had a tight itinerary so we could work in all of of our “must do’s.” And yes, we’re forgoing a big vacation this year but wouldn’t trade a minute of the absolutely wonderful trip we had making fabulous family memories. While we may not get back for a while, and we aren’t the family that can go every year, my family went and had the *complete* Disney experience… we were the family that you reference as not knowing whether they’ll return so I wanted to do it up right. 🙂 Having done so though, as we were on the plane ride home we were already talking about the “next” trip… it was that awesome… and while it’ll take work and budgeting we will aspire to go back. Didn’t mean for this to get so long – I just feel so passionately that middle class families can have a Disney vacation and that it is worth every dime! Thanks as always for sharing all your incredible knowledge and info, Dave, so that families like mine can make their Disney Dreams come true… cue the Jimminy Cricket song…

11 Marleen { 07.02.15 at 8:34 pm }

If everyone lived with there means and didn’t try to keep up with the Jones’ all those complaining would be able to afford Disney. It isn’t overly priced and there are always ways to save while you’re there if you have too. Like Disney letting you bring in food. Try that at other parks, nope not allowed.

12 Beth { 07.11.15 at 12:42 pm }

I love your spot-on, thorough analysis that no one else seems to have. The numbers and claims here are priceless (pun intended).

I, too, get tired of people assuming that my family is in credit card debt because of our frequent Disney trips. The truth is, we’re good savers. And the last “low frills” trip we took (a road trip to the beach only) still easily cost $2000. We can do Disney for 3!

13 Mikila Christensen { 07.28.15 at 1:15 pm }

I completely agree. My family and I are solidly middle class by any standard or definition, and we were able to afford our first trip this year. Yes, it took some saving, and there were a few small sacrifices along the way (less eating out, not going to the movies, etc.) but it was, in my opinion, very affordable for what we got to experience. We are even planning return trip for next year!

Yes, we can’t stay at the deluxe resorts, or even most moderates, but we have young children and the value resorts work much better for us. We even purchased the dining plan which ended up being a great savings. If you budget and do a bit of investigating, I think most middle class families could definitely afford Disney.

14 Cindy { 02.24.18 at 10:40 pm }

You obviously work for Disney World, and use your graphs and reasoning to cover up costs that are just TOO HIGH. Not a word of caring for the tens of thousands of lower income BEAUTIFUL KIDS that can’t come.

15 Dave { 02.26.18 at 9:25 am }

Cindy, I don’t work for Disney World.

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