By the co-author of The easy Guide to Your Walt Disney World Visit 2017, from the best-reviewed Disney World guidebook series ever. Paperback available on Amazon here. Kindle version available on Amazon here. PDF version available on Gumroad here.—Disney World Instructions for the First-Time Visitor

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Updated Itineraries


I have not been posting a lot lately, as first Josh and I have been working on the 2018 version of The easy Guide to Your Walt Disney World Visit, and second, I’m on a long vacation in the mountains of North Carolina.

Here’s the view from our balcony…

But every morning I’ve started early at the Starbucks in Boone, North Carolina and have been busy working there to update all the itineraries on this site.

For the standard Low and High Crowd itineraries, the updates reflect the changes at Disney World over this summer, and include refinements of my guidance for the new Avatar: World of Pandora at Disney’s Animal Kingdom. They also are adapted to the closure of Ellen’s Energy Adventure and the Great Movie Ride, and the shift of the Festival of Fantasy Parade to 2pm.

These standard itineraries and their variants:

My “Basic Itinerary” and its variants are meant for what is in 2017 the four-week period that begins the Saturday after Thanksgiving. They include all changes to Disney World since last December.

Which dates you should use which  itinerary, and any other needed changes, is all laid out here.

Those taking even shorter trips, or with very different arrival days, will be best served by looking at the closest itinerary I have for the essential matters, and then adapting the one and tw0 day touring plans you will find in my book. Ask me for help using the comment form below!

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August 26, 2017   No Comments

Disney World Higher Crowd Itinerary, Seven Night Variant

Below is a seven-night variant of my FastPass+ based Disney World itinerary for higher crowd weeks.

Updated in August 2017, it includes guidance for the new Avatar: World of Pandora at Disney’s Animal Kingdom, and is adapted to the closure of Ellen’s Energy Adventure and the Great Movie Ride, and the shift of the Festival of Fantasy Parade to 2pm.  On its first Animal Kingdom day, it uses a Rivers of Light Dining Package to save a FastPass+. Note that this package is available sometimes only 3-4 months ahead, rather than the 180 days ahead that most dining is available.

I’m not keen on this itinerary, as it has little rest time. Moreover, to see both evening shows at Hollywood Studios, you need to add an expensive Park Hopper to your tickets.

This itinerary does not work all dates, and some dates that it mostly works it may need some little adjustments. Use the comment form below to check with me on your dates.

As in all images and tables on this site, click it to enlarge it.

The recommended dining reservations and FastPass+ that make it work are in the To-Do List.

Daily agendas are in the links:

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August 16, 2017   No Comments

Theming and Accommodations at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge

For the first page of this review of Disney’s Wilderness Lodge, click here.


Entry Disney's Wilderness Lodge from

Disney’s Wilderness Lodge opened in 1994, and its standard rooms were last renovated in 2012. A major refurb and redo that ended in 2017 shifted half of its old rooms into Disney Vacation Club rooms, and added many amenities. A redo of its standard rooms is rumored to start in 2018.

It is officially described on Walt Disney World’s website as

“…inspired by the Great American Northwest National Park lodges from the turn of the 20th century…an architecturally grand Disney Deluxe Resort hotel honoring American craftsmanship and artistry, and celebrating the majesty of the unspoiled wilderness.

“The theme of being in harmony with nature winds through the lodge—inside and out. Authentic decor and genuine artifacts pay homage to ancient Native American cultures and the pioneering spirit of early American explorers.

“From its stunning 7-story lobby, built from 85 loads of Lodgepole Pine, to its 82-foot-tall lobby fireplace, the Resort is as beautiful as it is impressive. Its 727 Guest rooms offer themes of wildlife, nature and Native American designs, and include Honeymoon Suites featuring marble whirlpool tubs.

“On the Resort grounds, look for the bubbling spring that flows into a creek, tumbles over a sparkling waterfall and empties into the swimming pool. Catch the eruption of Fire Rock Geyser, fashioned after Yellowstone National Park’s Old Faithful, with its plume of water jetting 120 feet into the air.”

The description of the Wilderness Lodge as being “inspired by the great American Northwest,” though presented by Disney itself, and widely repeated in guidebooks and the internet, is a bit of a crock.

The Wilderness Lodge does have elements from the American Northwest–Washington and Oregon–ranging from the stunning totem poles in the main lobby to the menu provenance of its signature restaurant, Artist Point.

And it also celebrates other remarkable western areas, such as the Grand Canyon in the southwest.

That said, the Wilderness Lodge is in fact largely inspired by, and is in homage to, the Mountain West–the basic architecture, the look of the lobby, and the “Fire Rock Geyser” area are all based on Yellowstone, which is not part of America’s Northwest by a long shot.

Yellowstone is principally in Wyoming, but also in Montana and Idaho.  This area is best described as the “Mountain West,” not the Northwest.

Native American Art Disney's Wilderness Lodge from (683x1024)

The second most significant influence on Wilderness Lodge theming after Yellowstone is the art and artifacts of Native Americans.

Native American Art at Disney's Wilderness Lodge from (683x1024)

Tribes represented in the Lodge cross the country from the southwest (the Navajo and Apache) to the northwest to the great plains to the southeast (Cherokee.)

The third most significant influence is the Grand Canyon in general, and in particular Mary Colter’s masterwork Bright Angel Lodge there, from which the lobby fireplace was adapted and expanded (to 82 feet!!).

(I have always thought that Colter’s work at the Grand Canyon made her the first Imagineer…years before Walt Disney ever thought of the term!)

Painting Disney's Wilderness Lodge from (670x1024)

Additional theme influences include the great vernacular styles associated with westward expansion and its later re-interpretations–ranging from Frank Lloyd Wright to Thomas Molesworth to the Mission style.

The simplest, but still largely accurate, description of the Wilderness Lodge’s theme would be that it honors the mountain west; a longer but more accurate description would be that it is based on the great National Park Lodges of the early 1900s, and honors the Native Americans who first lived in this land, as well as later explorers and their descendants–hunters, trappers, guides, woodsmen, cowboys, etc.

The Wilderness Lodge was designed by Peter Dominick, who also designed the next-most stunning Disney resort, the Animal Kingdom Lodge.

In an obituary of Dominick (he died in 2009), it was noted that Dominick “understood the building traditions of the Rocky Mountain West…his specialty was wonderful buildings that celebrated the landscape he loved.”


Upstream at Disney's Wilderness Lodge from

All Disney deluxe resorts have standard rooms; concierge rooms, which Disney calls “club” rooms; and suites. (See this for more on suites at Walt Disney World.)  The Wilderness Lodge has, in addition to these, club-level “deluxe rooms.”

All the Disney deluxes except the Yacht Club also have one or more Disney Vacation Club offerings on property, offering even more room types. These Vacation Club rooms can be booked by anyone just like any other Disney World room–you don’t have to be a member of the Club to do so. I have separate detailed reviews of the two at the Wilderness Lodge, Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek, elsewhere on this site, but will also comment a bit on them below.

Rooms in Disney’s Wilderness Lodge are in a connected set of six and seven story high buildings, in a “Y” shape. On the map, the Wilderness Lodge is the green-roofed building at the top center.  Standard rooms are in the wing at the left; accommodations on the right wing of the main Lodge are part of the Copper Creek Villas. The red-roofed area below and to the right is the Boulder Ridge Villas.

At Disney’s Wilderness Lodge, standard and club/ concierge rooms sleep four, in two queen beds, or a queen and bunk beds. The floor plan above is for a two-queen standard or club room.

There’s a photo tour of one of these rooms here.

(See photo for an old view of the bunks, the mattresses of which I measured as 5’9″ long and 39″ wide.)

A few standard rooms with a king, sleeping two, are also available.

Standard rooms are sold with “standard” and “courtyard” views.

Courtyard views look into the center of the Y–to the waterfall, pool, or Bay Lake. Standard views–less expensive–look to something else…e.g. a parking lot.

However, a number of standard view rooms on the northwest side of the Lodge look across the new Cascade Cabins and a few trees towards the Magic Kingdom.

All but the lowest or most unlucky of these rooms have a limited but fun view of the Magic Kingdom fireworks. This image from July 2017 shows folk watching the Happily Ever After fireworks show from their balconies.

Some shots taken from the third floor of this wing of the Magic Kingdom fireworks:

Though these standard rooms are tied with the Animal Kingdom Lodge’s rooms as the smallest standard deluxe rooms on property, the space rarely feels cramped; it just has no more space than it absolutely needs.

Club rooms–which the rest of the world calls concierge rooms–all on the key-access 7th floor of the northwest side of the Lodge, have the same layout as standard rooms but have various services and amenities added on, as well as a substantial extra cost.

Here’s the club lounge from across the lobby.

The outside balcony half-wall in many of these rooms (as well as other top-floor rooms in other areas of the Lodge) is solid, not railed–limiting views except for standing adults.  Some of these rooms also have sloped ceilings.

Club rooms are not worth the extra cost for most first time family visitors. However, they may be well worth it for families intending to spend more time at the Wilderness Lodge than implied by this site’s itineraries. has a great discussion of the value of concierge rooms here. Though focused on the Polynesian, it applies to any deluxe resort.

Deluxe rooms (which used to be called “junior suites”) are suite-like club rooms, although they are found on many floors, not just the 7th.  They sleep 6–four in two queens in the bedroom, and two in a fold-out couch in the sitting room. (See floor plan at right.)  For an ancient review of these rooms, click here.

Suites sleeping 2 to 4 people are available for families seeking a particularly comfortable visit–see this for more on suites at Walt Disney World.  The Yosemite Vice Presidential suite, with 885 square feet, sleeps 4–two in the bedroom in a king, and 2 in a queen sleeper sofa in the parlor. The Yellowstone Presidential Suite has the same sleeping arrangements in 1000 square feet.

There are also many more room types in Copper Creek Villas and Boulder Ridge Villas, sleeping from four to twelve, many with full kitchens. Among them, “Studios” are most comparable to Wilderness Lodge standard rooms. Copper Creek Studios sleep four, and Boulder Ridge Studios sleep five.

(To each of the capacity figures above, you can add one more kid under 3 at time of check in who sleeps in a crib.)

The Wilderness Lodge inspires devotion among its fans–of which I am one.

Families who have stayed at it once will have difficulty understanding why they should ever go to a different Walt Disney World resort hotel.

The Wilderness Lodge’s strengths for first time visitors are its unsurpassed kid appeal and its reasonable prices.

The Wilderness Lodge’s principal negatives compared to other deluxes are its small rooms and relative inconvenience for parks other than the Magic Kingdom.

…and speaking of the rooms:


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Review: The Boulder Ridge Cove Pool at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge

For the first page of this review of Disney’s Wilderness Lodge, click here.


Disney’s Wilderness Lodge came out of a major refurb and rebuild in July 2017. Part of the rebuild was the gutting and re-do of the old quiet pool here into what is essentially a brand-new pool, which has been named the Boulder Ridge Cove pool.

The Boulder Ridge Cove pool is nestled between the re-done wing of the main Lodge, which is now the Copper Creek Villas, and the older Disney Vacation Club offering that has been renamed Boulder Ridge Villas. It’s open to all Wilderness Lodge guests–you don’t have to be staying in one of the Villas to use Boulder Ridge Cove.

On the map, the new pool is in red, and the main pool, refurbed in 2014 and renamed in 2017 the Copper Creek Springs pool (it used to be the Silver Creek Springs pool), is in yellow.

The former pool here was largely an un-themed concrete pool surrounded by trees.

The new pool (seen above from the top floor of Boulder Ridge Villas) is larger than the old one, deeply themed, and has extensive amenities. For adults, it’s perhaps even better than the main Copper Creek Springs pool because of its deeper theming–mining and railroad-related–and additional amenities. Kids will likely still prefer the main Springs pool with its slide, games, and water play area.

There’s several entries to the fenced-in pool, including this one from near the new Geyser Point bar and grill, which provides quick service food and a refillable mug station.

Here’s a walkabout of the new pool beginning at that entrance.

In the distance on the far right of this shot is the zero-entry point of the pool.

Boulder Ridge provides the backdrop to this side of the pool. Note the steam crane, the principal theming object of this pool.

This side has a wall–a quarry wall?–that separates the pool from the nearby new Cascade Cabins.

A better view of the steam crane, backed by the Copper Creek wing of the main Lodge.

There’s a delightful variety of seating options that you won’t see at most other Disney World pools.

More from this side of the pool.

The zero-entry area is at the opposite end of this image.

A closer view of the steam crane. Geyser Point is the one story peaked-roof building at the right.

There’s a few cabanas here…

…plus more shaded seating on the Copper Creek side.

Also on the Copper Creek side is this hot tub.


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Review: Copper Creek Villas and Cabins at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge


Copper Creek Villas and Cabins is the newer of the two Disney Vacation Club resorts at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge.

Opened in July 2017, it adds studios and many multi-bedroom options to the Vacation Club inventory (all available to anyone to book, just like regular rooms) that already existed here in the former villas, now re-named Boulder Ridge.

Most of Copper Creek was rebuilt into what had been half of the Wilderness Lodge, its southeast wing.

But Copper Creek also includes 26 new (and wildly expensive) “Cascade Cabins,” 12 to the north along the waterway between the Wilderness Lodge and the Contemporary Resort, and 14 south along Bay Lake.

Most room options at Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge are wonderful places for returning visitors to Walt Disney World to stay. But for typical first-time visitors, I don’t recommend the Disney Vacation Club resorts.

That said, these “DVC” resorts can be a great choice for first time visitors with large families, needing extra sleeping spaces, or looking for a more comfortable place to stay.

Among the Disney Vacation Club resorts, the Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge ranks first overall for first-time visitors.


You can have a spectacular visit at any Walt Disney World resort. However, this site recommends that typical first time visitors to Walt Disney World avoid the Disney Vacation Club resorts, while noting that these resorts are wonderful for visits after the first. (You can find extensive detail on the DVC resorts here.)

The recommendation comes from the simple fact that the distinguishing feature of these resorts–extra space and full kitchens–will not be of much value to first-time visitors following one of the itineraries on this site, as they won’t be used much.

However, the Disney Vacation Club resorts represent more than 10% of Walt Disney World’s total rooms, and are very appropriate for first time visitors with large families, needing extra sleeping spaces, or looking for a more comfortable place to stay.

Because of this, I’m providing a series of up-to-date reviews. This review is based on my two stays at the Copper Creek Villas at the Wilderness Lodge the week it opened in July 2017.


Resorts are ranked on this site for first time visitors based first on their kid appeal, and then on their convenience.

On this basis, The Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge comes in first overall among the Disney Vacation Club resorts. (See this for resort rankings.)

The two Wilderness Lodge options–Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek–have the best overall kid appeal among the DVC options.

Because the glory of the Wilderness Lodge is the architecture of the main building and in particular its lobby, and because Copper Creek is in the main building, Copper Creek generally wins out over Boulder Ridge–although the separate building of Boulder Ridge really does have its own unique charm and a much more coherent theme. (Copper Creek simultaneously fully participates in the glorious theming of the Wilderness Lodge itself, but is largely themeless on its own.)

However, there’s a little variability here for some families in the Studios. Pick between the Copper Creek and Boulder Ridge based on your sleeping needs. Copper Creek studios sleep four on a queen and a fold-out bed that’s as wide as a queen but four inches shorter. Boulder Ridge studios sleep five on three beds–those two beds and a third bed that folds down from the wall, and eliminates the room’s table when it does so.

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Lobby Totem Pole Disney's Wilderness Lodge from
Kid Appeal. The Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge share the services, resources and lobby of Disney’s Wilderness Lodge, plus compatible theming. The spectacular kid appeal of the Wilderness Lodge, especially its lobby, makes it number one on the kid appeal list.  (For more on the Wilderness Lodgesee this.)

Convenience.  Both sets of Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge are the fourth-most convenient of all the Disney resort hotels, and the second most convenient of the DVC resorts–after Bay Lake Tower. Boulder Ridge is a little more convenient to the bus stop, which serves Animal Kingdom, Epcot, and Hollywood Studios.  Copper Creek is a little more convenient to the boat dock that serves Magic Kingdom.


The Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge has a number of very strong positives.

  • The strongest positive is the spectacular theming of it and its partner resort Disney’s Wilderness Lodge
  • Other shared positives include the nice variety of dining options in the Lodge, and the theming of the main pool and of the new smaller pool Boulder Ridge Cove

Another positive compared to many other DVC villas is the size of the dining room table.

See the Two Bedroom Villa floor plan.

The shared living/dining/kitchen space is in the center–it’s the same in both One and Two Bedroom Villas. The dining table can seat six–which does not seem like a lot compared to the eight people a Two Bedroom Villa here can sleep…

…but it’s much bigger than the dining table at Boulder Ridge, shown above, and also bigger than the equivalent tables in most other DVC resorts.

Moreover, also in 2017 a number of other refurbed or new amenities opened at the Wilderness Lodge. While any guests–those staying in the Lodge, in Copper Creek, or in Boulder Ridge–can use them, these amenities were added as part of the Copper Creek project, and collectively present a step-change improvement in the amenities at the Wilderness Lodge.

The new Geyser Point Bar and Grill adds a lovely waterside bar…

…with wonderful views of Bay Lake (your rainbows may vary).

Nestled among Geyser Point, Boulder Ridge, and Copper Creek…

…in the space of the old plain quiet pool here is the completely re-done Boulder Ridge Cove pool, richly themed to an abandoned mining railroad, and probably overall better than the main pool itself.

Also re-done were the other quick-service option at the Wilderness Lodge, Roaring Fork, and the boat and bike barn.

Still to come is the spa, “Salon by The Springs,” which will go in the old main pool bar.


See the map. The Wilderness Lodge itself is the larger, green-roofed block on the top left–the Copper Creek Villas are in the Lodge, on its right–southeast–side. The Boulder Ridge Villas are the smaller, reddish-roofed block at the bottom right. The Copper Creek Cascade Cabins are the small buildings along the water.

There really are no bad rooms at Copper Creek. Both sides of Copper Creek have pool views. Rooms closer to Bay Lake are also closer (via stairs) to Geyser Point, both pools and the boat dock that takes you to the Magic Kingdom. Rooms closer to the lobby are closer to the elevators and to the bus stop for the other theme parks.

Best places to stay at the Copper Creek Villas at the Wilderness Lodge

So long as you are able to use the stairs, the best Lodge rooms will be upper floor (because quieter) villas and studios closer to Bay Lake. If you aren’t comfortable on stairs, ask for Upper Floor and Near Elevator.

Among the Cascade Cabins, the northern ones (numbered 8001-8012) have partial, distant views of Happily Ever After, and are closer to the main lobby via the passageway that goes near Roaring Fork, but suffer from lots of boat noise.  The southern Cabins (8013-8026) have a quieter, more tranquil location–although they do get some boat noise–but are distant from all services except Geyser Point and the Boulder Ridge Cove pool.

Worst places to stay at the Copper Creek Villas at the Wilderness Lodge

All first floor rooms have patios, not balconies. On the Boulder Ridge Cove side, this at least makes the new pool and Geyser Point pretty easy to get to–just walk off your patio and you are steps away.  But they will be noisier, less private, and not have as nice a view.

All seventh floor rooms–and some others–have solid-walled balconies, rather than the open railings you’ll find in most lower-floor studios and villas. This quite limits the view you get while seated. Standing views are fine, and seventh floor courtyard view rooms can get truncated views of Happily Ever After over the opposite wing of the Lodge.

Disney’s room request form for these villas won’t let you get anywhere near this specific…so you’d need to communicate over the phone.


Larger families, families seeking a bit of extra privacy or more beds, families looking for a more comfortable place to stay, families looking for particularly kid-appealing DVC space, families wanting to get into the Wilderness Lodge but finding its regular rooms to be sold out.


Families on a budget.


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August 6, 2017   3 Comments

Theming and Accommodations at Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge

(For the first page of this review of Copper Creek Villas, see this.)


There are currently ten official Disney Vacation Club resorts at Walt Disney World.

Because the two sets of options at the Wilderness Lodge, Animal Kingdom Lodge and Saratoga Springs are so different, and the Polynesian offering is so distinctive, for review purposes I count a total of twelve resorts, but rank only eleven.

Their overall ranking for first time family visitors is as follows:

  1. Copper Creek Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge
  2. Boulder Ridge Villas at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge
  3. Disney’s Animal Kingdom Villas–Jambo House
  4. Disney’s Animal Kingdom Villas–Kidani Village
  5. Bay Lake Tower at Disney’s Contemporary Resort
  6. The Villas at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort and Spa
  7. Disney’s Beach Club Villas
  8. Disney’s Boardwalk Villas
  9. Disney’s Old Key West Resort
  10. Disney’s Saratoga Springs Resort and Spa, main resort
  11. Disney’s Saratoga Springs Resort, Treehouse Villas area

My rankings exclude the Polynesian Villas and Bungalows, as it does not offer one or two bedroom villas. If the ranking were based solely on studios, the Polynesian offering would be near the top.

These resorts are available to anyone to reserve through the regular Walt Disney World website or the resort reservations phone number at 407-939-7675.

They also are available to the general public at great discounts through renting points from a Disney Vacation Club member.


Disney’s Copper Creek Villas and Cabins at the Wilderness Lodge is “rooted in the history of America’s westward expansion, made possible by the building of the transcontinental railroad… It’s a tip of the conductor’s cap to America’s rich railroad history, a period of time that famously captured the imagination of… Walt Disney.”

More specifically, Copper Creek represents the end—and re-use—of the line. According to Disney, the three parts of the Wilderness Lodge complex have theming as follows:

“Disney’s Wilderness Lodge draws inspiration from the majestic vacation lodges of yesteryear that attracted tourists traveling to U.S. National Parks during the dawn of the railroad.

“Boulder Ridge Villas revolves its scene around the rustic communities that emerged along this revolutionary mode of transportation as it grew in popularity.

“Copper Creek Villas & Cabins completes this tale by embodying modern life in America’s Great Northwest. You’ll find relics of this now abandoned railroad cleverly weaved into the Resort’s contemporary vibe.”

Frankly, I’m not at all sure what this claimed Copper Creek theming means.  To be specific, you will not find much in the way of railroad themed material in the rooms, other than the book above…

…and this bed fabric on Studio beds.

There’s a beam in a Studio, but it’s not in the proportions of a railroad tie…

…and there’s some curious metal above the kitchen cabinets in one and two bedroom villas, but it’s not in the cross section of a railroad rail.

Otherwise, the art and decoration of the rooms is rustic, wilderness-y, self-referential to the Wilderness Lodge, and/or Native-American inspired.  You won’t find much in the rooms that speak to railroads at all, much less “abandoned railroads.” (A photo tour of a Studio and its art is here, and a photo tour of a One Bedroom Villa begins here.)

The hallways of the Copper Creek area of the Wilderness Lodge have the art that the Lodge is famous for–but it is either western vistas, Native Americans, or Native American artifacts–all lovely and interesting, and consistent with the rest of the Lodge, but not about “abandoned railroads.”

Oh, also, the four floors of the Copper Creek wing with Grand Villas have this bear.  The floors without Grand Villas have nothing on this wall.

However, there’s substantial new construction between the Copper Creek wing and the old Villas, now renamed Boulder Ridge.

You can see in this re-done outdoor area shared by the Wilderness Lodge, Copper Creek and Boulder Ridge abandoned railroad materials, reminiscent of Big Thunder Mine train, including this part of the new Geyser Point bar and grill area…

…and this part of the new Boulder Ridge Cove pool.

But none of these is dedicated to Copper Creek–rather the opposite–nor do they have anything to do with the transcontinental railroads, so I am at a bit of a loss as to the actual Copper Creek specific theming…

That said, except for the Cascade Cabins, Copper Creek is fully integrated into the main Wilderness Lodge, and the Wilderness Lodge is the most stunning, and most kid-appealing, of all the Disney World resorts…so I’m not sure this absence of specific theming matters much…


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